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For those who have read The Da Vinci Code (and no spoiler for those who haven't) - I caught the author in an error. His Hebrew transliteration is for shit. He turned an H into a Vav. What the fuck?

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shaska
May. 24th, 2004 04:33 pm (UTC)
Then there's the claim (much bandied about in occult circles) that Venus transcribes a pentagram in the sky over an eight year cycle. This is also untrue... I have to go right now but I'll fill in more later.

Ummm, actually, it's a well known fact among astronomers and astrologers that venus *does* outline a pentagram in the sky called the Synodic Cycle. It takes 8 years to complete this. Here's a quick clip http://www.astrofantasy.com/articles/astroarticles/sun_venus.htm If it's related to Christ, well it went back before him because the Venus Retrograde cycle is about suffering.. astrology goes back farther as this astronomical fact was well known among ancient cultures.

Another reason Venus is linked to the feminine is that she takes 270 days to make a complete orbit (vs earth at 365). 270 is the gestation period (9 months) for a a human female.
00goddess
May. 24th, 2004 10:51 pm (UTC)
Actually, it's the superior conjunctions of the Sun and Venus that form a pentagram. The very web page that you link me to confirms this:

"I got to thinking about relationships and the pentagram pattern that Sun conjunct Venus makes every 8 years."

I didn't say that Venus and astronomy did not predate Christianity; what I dispute is his intimation that the early Church suppressed the use of the pentagram, when in fact it did quite the opposite.

the Venus Retrograde cycle is about suffering...

Do you have a source for this, other than modern astrology?

On medical websites, I am finding a lot of conflicting information on human gestation periods. One site says that the average human gestation period is 280 days, another says 265. However, some humans take longer to gestate than do others; there's not an exact day number that can be applied to natural pregnancy.

Nine months (nine moon cycles) is actually 252 days. This is simple math. The human gestation period is generally 38 to 40 weeks. This is between two and four weeks longer than nine months.

Also, the information I am finding online says that Venus takes a little bit more than 224 Earth days to orbit the Sun. Where are you getting 270?

Please, don't take my word for it, (or that of folklore) do the math yourself.
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00goddess
May. 25th, 2004 09:20 pm (UTC)
I looked at several sites for length of the Venus orbit. Please, don't take my word for it, though- just do what I did, google for "venus orbit length". Here are some of the sites that come up:

http://www.space.com/reference/venus/overview.html

http://www.space.com/reference/venus/overview.html

http://www.solarspace.co.uk/Venus/venus.htm

http://www.planetary.org/learn/solarsystem/venus.html

So perhaps you should look again- but I doubt that you will, since you a)didn't prvide a source for your 270 day orbit and b) you don't seem to want any information that contradicts your preconceived notions.

You're kind of a pain.

Yeah, people always say that when I'm right and they're not. :)


shaska
May. 25th, 2004 12:12 pm (UTC)
A "Superior Conjunction" falls under the umbrella of what's called the Retrograde cycle, as does inferior conjunction, the shadow period, etc.

As for the source regarding the Venus Rx cycle being connected to suffering, it's based on modern day research of medeval texts but those texts aren't available to the general public, and the research has only been presented during international lectures.. again, not something that is published because the market is so small.

Either way, the gestation period is approximately 270 days. Of course it's not *exact*, because no baby is born at exactly the right time. That's silly. The approximation is acceptable though.

Nine months = 9 x 30 days = 270 days. There's the math. Have you not heard of babies taking 9 months to be born????

As for Venus orbit.. maybe you should look again.

It appears you're pulling bits and pieces out of context from webpages that you don't seem to know anything about for the sole purpose of proving others wrong, when you actually don't know much at all except for a little Google.
eub
May. 25th, 2004 07:59 pm (UTC)
As for Venus orbit.. maybe you should look again.

The orbital period of Venus does happen to be 224.7 days (see NASA, for example). The Venus-related parameter that I see people compare with human gestation is the time between conjunctions. That's about 290 days, but hey.
shaska
May. 26th, 2004 11:36 am (UTC)
Oh, that's right.. it IS 224ish.

270 days would be 3/4 of a circle, creating the shape of a diamond.

224 on the other hand is 3/5 of a circle, creating the shape of.. what, a pentagram????

No, that couldn't be right!
eub
May. 26th, 2004 12:27 pm (UTC)
Yup. Note that this is a different thing than the diagram of Earth-Venus-Sun conjunctions -- this one is a diagram of the Earth's position at intervals of one Venus-year. All kinds of pentagrams. (Any random ratio has a good chance of lying fairly close to some multiple of one fifth, is another way of looking at it.)
00goddess
May. 25th, 2004 09:21 pm (UTC)
Oh, and a month is not 30 days, and babies actually don't take nine months to gestate- they take two weeks longer. A medical website will tell you that.
shaska
May. 26th, 2004 11:38 am (UTC)
God nitpicky!!!

Months... 30 days has September, April, June and November..
Oh, gotta remember all the rest have 31... yes. you're right.. how long exactly is a month?? 31.2344436567384297452892347529493-4535452y3....???

or perhaps 29.249238620235345276160236412043...????

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